EPISODE 68

The BHP Xplor Program with Sonia Scarselli

On this episode, we are joined by Sonia Scarselli, VP of BHP Xplor, a programme initiated by BHP that is dedicated to accelerating innovative, early-stage mineral exploration start-ups to find the critical resources necessary to drive the energy transition.

The BHP Explor Program is searching around the globe for the next generation of explorers that are ready to think about the earth’s minerals systems differently to unlock copper, nickel, and other critical mineral deposits.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 67

Defining Discovery with Scott Briscoe - Part 2

On this episode, we are joined again by Scott Briscoe, for part 2 of our discussion where we try to understand what constitutes a discovery in mineral exploration.

Join us and let's explore.

EPISODE 66

Defining Discovery with Scott Briscoe - Part 1

How is something so fundamental to mineral exploration like the nature of what constitutes a discovery can have such a poorly accepted industry-wide definition?

Maybe it is like the old adage, if you do not know which port you are sailing to, then no wind is favourable. If everyone can define discovery, then does that mean no one can define discovery?

On this episode, we are joined by Scott Briscoe, and we try to understand what constitutes a discovery in mineral exploration

Join us and let's explore.

EPISODE 65

Ideas That Must - Part 6

At the end of our interviews, Steve and Ahmad always ask the guests two questions: what is something they think needs to live or be maintained in the mining industry at all costs; and what is something that needs to die or be jettisoned out of our industry?

We thought it would be interesting to put together some of the responses we have received to those questions over the past year.

So on this episode of Ideas that Must Die and Live in Mining, we are joined by, Mike Porter, Evren Pakyuz-Charrier, Tim Foden and Shaun Usmar.

Join us and let's explore.

EPISODE 64

Ideas That Must - Part 5

At the end of our interviews, Steve and Ahmad always ask the guests two questions: what is something they think needs to live or be maintained in the mining industry at all costs; and what is something that needs to die or be jettisoned out of our industry?

We thought it would be interesting to put together some of the responses we have received to those questions over the past year.

So on this episode of Ideas that Must Die and Live in Mining, we are joined by, Dave Lawie, Francois Robert, Rob Krcmarov, Rick Rule, Paul Roos, Professor Andy Koronios, Angel Abbud-Madrid, Matthew Pearson and Dr Gerrit Olivier

Join us and let's explore.

EPISODE 63

Ideas That Must - Part 4

At the end of our interviews, Steve and Ahmad always ask the guests two questions: what is something they think needs to live or be maintained in the mining industry at all costs; and what is something that needs to die or be jettisoned out of our industry? We thought it would be interesting to put together some of the responses we have received to those questions over the past year.

So on this episode of Ideas that Must Die and Live in Mining, we are joined by, Eira Thomas, Chuck Fipke, Tony Reda, Aaron Schutt, Peter Betts, Kyle Prentice, Justin Osborne, Mark Jessell and Nicolas Thebaud.

Join us and let's explore.

EPISODE 62

There is more to Streaming than just Netflix
with Shaun Usmar

The last decade has seen an explosion of a new type of company in the mining space: royalty companies. Royalties are nothing new to mining, they have been around for a long time.

Recently, royalty companies have been innovating by getting into streaming - just like everyone else, I guess.

For a deeper understanding of royalties and streaming, our guest on this episode is Shaun Usmar, who in 2016 started Triple Flag Precious Metals, a royalty and streaming company. We talked to him about why royalties and streaming are becoming commonplace in the industry.

Come join us and let's explore.

EPISODE 61

When It All Goes Wrong with Tim Foden

When we consider mining projects in arbitration, we often consider jurisdictions in Africa and Central and South America.

But increasingly, projects in developed countries are following a similar path for other reasons - like community objection, or environmental concerns, or permitting delays. Sometimes you just need a lawyer in your corner to help you through these situations. You better hope it is not too late…

Our guest on this episode is Tim Foden, a partner at Boise Schiller Flexner, specialising in International Dispute Resolution, particularly in the mining sector.

Come join us and let's explore.

EPISODE 60

We All Want Agency with Evren Pakyuz-Charrier

Our guest today is Evren Pakyuz-Charrier, Lead Geologist at Oslandia, a company specialising in developing open-source GIS software. Evren is looking to create bespoke open-source GIS solutions for the exploration and mining industry through QGIS, the most prominent open-source GIS software platform. If you are a user of QGIS, you might want to listen to what Evren and Oslandia can do for you.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 59

Around the World in 80 Projects with Mike Porter

For decades, Mike Porter ran a business where he took people worldwide to various mine sites and deposits. These tours were open to anyone; somehow, Mike managed to navigate the red tape and get onto every mine site. That was the magic of the Porter Geo International Study Tours.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 58

That Time We Gave a Talk at SEG 2022

In this episode, Ahmad and Steve give a talk at SEG 2022.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 57

Standing on the Shores of the Cosmic Ocean

In this episode, our guests are Matthew Pearson and Dr Gerrit Olivier
from Fleet Space.

We have always had a desire to explore our planet. Our history is rich with explorers that did just that. The next chapter in the exploration of Earth might involve doing it from space. Fleet Space is trying to create technology to do just that.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 56

The Future of Resources with Angel Abbud-Madrid

In this episode, our guest is Angel Abbud-Madrid.

Angel is the Director of the Center for Space Resources at the Colorado School of Mines, where he leads a research program focused on the human and robotic exploration of space and the utilisation of its resources.  He is also the Director of the Space Resources Graduate Program, aimed to educate scientists, engineers, economists, entrepreneurs, and policymakers in the field of extraterrestrial resources.

Angel has more than 30 years of experience conducting experiments in NASA’s low-gravity facilities, such as drop towers, parabolic-flight aircraft, the Space Shuttle, and the International Space Station. He received the NASA Astronauts’ Personal Achievement Award for his contributions to the success of human space flight.

Let's explore. 

EPISODE 55

Building Better Satellites with Andy Koronios

In this episode, our guest is Professor Andy Koronios.

Andy is CEO & Managing Director of the SmartSat CRC. Andy is a professor of information systems and previously held the positions of Dean: Industry & Enterprise and Head of the School of Information Technology & Mathematical Sciences, at the University of South Australia.

Andy has recently led a bid to establish a space industry-focused Cooperative Research Centre (CRC) aimed at catapulting Australia into the global space industry through collaborative research and development with the support of over 100 participants from industry, government and academia.

The SmartSat CRC is the biggest space industry-research collaboration in Australia's history.

Let’s explore.

EPISODE 54

Coaching Culture with Paul Roos

In this episode, our guest is Paul Roos. Paul is an AFL or Australian Rules Football icon. He played for 17 years for the Fitzroy and Sydney Football clubs. In his prime, Paul was rated as the best footballer in Australia and has been inducted into the Australian Football Hall of Fame.

After finishing his playing career, Paul became a successful coach. He first became the head coach of the Sydney Swans and then the Melbourne Football Club.

His consulting company, Performance by Design, has a nice quote as part of its marketing pitch: don’t leave culture to chance. I like that.

Let’s explore.

EPISODE 53

Amalgamated Aardvarks

Being Funded by Hope and Narrative

with Rick Rule

In this episode, our guest is Arthur Richards “Rick” Rule IV, better known as Rick Rule. He needs no introduction. If you don't know who Rick is, Google him. There's a good chance Google was invented purely for searching for Rick Rule and his many achievements.

Furthermore, if you want to know what Amalgamated Aardvarks are, you won't find that through Google. You will just have to listen to the episode.

Let’s explore.

EPISODE 52

Dealing For Decades with

Francois Robert And Rob Krcmarov

In early 2002, Barrick Gold decides to merge with another company, Homestake Mining, to create one of the largest Gold companies in the world. A young French Canadian geologist (do not hold that against him) working for Barrick in Nevada is asked to pack his bags and move to Australia, to take up a vacant Chief Geologist position for this combined company.

At the same time, a young Australian geologist from Adelaide South Australia (do not hold that against him) was working for Homestake and is asked to take over the Australian Exploration Manager role for the new company. Both men were taking on new management roles, a huge step up for both of them. That's how Francois Robert and Rob Krcmarov first meet.

​This episode is about 2 people with different skillsets who decided to work together by creating a relationship of mutual respect and trust.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 51

Building An Icon
with Dave Lawie (Part 2)

This is Part 2 of our conversation with Dave Lawie, who is the Chief Geoscientist and Technologist at IMDEX limited.

We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 50

Building An Icon
with Dave Lawie (Part 1)

On this week's episode, Steve and Ahmad got the chance to sit down with Dave Lawie, who is the Chief Geoscientist and Technologist at IMDEX limited. Dave was one of the first people we wanted to talk to on this show, so it seems fitting that he joins us for the 50th episode.

We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 49

The Agate Project with Mark Jessell

and Nicolas Thebaud

In 2006, researchers from the Institute de Recherche pour le Developpment or the Institute of Research for Development in Toulouse, founded a research project in West Africa called the West African Exploration Initiative or WAXI.

In this episode, we are joined by Mark Jessell and Nicolas Thebaud, who have been involved in the WAXI project from nearly the beginning and are now two of the people behind the Agate Project.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 48

Cheese, Crackers and the

Discovery of Gruyère

In this episode, we are joined by Kyle Prentice and Justin Osbourne who take us through their involvement in the discovery of the Gruyere deposit.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 47

Rethinking our Narrative

with Peter Betts

The story of Laurentian university closing is a sad one, and there are many reasons why that happened. But one reason suggested by many is the financial pressure that COVID has caused on universities.

Globally, many universities have had to cancel programs and lay off staff - and often cancelled niche programs like geology and earth sciences. In Australia, a number of universities decided to stop their support for geology programs. As a country that relies a lot on mining, this seemed to be a short-sighted decision.COVID has undoubtedly accelerated the closure of many geology departments.

But today we are joined by Pete Betts from Monash University, who suggests other reasons why geology programs are struggling to keep their place. Maybe it had more to do with the fact that we find it hard to engage the wider society with regards to why our science is important and what value it actually provides.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 46

Being Brave with

Aaron Schutt

“The River ran through the lives of our grandparents; it runs through our lives; it will run through the lives of our grandchildren. A dynamic force masked by a static constancy, the River will speak to those who listen — our land speaks.”

In this episode, we sit down for a chat with Aaron Schutt, President and Chief Executive Officer of Doyon, Limited. We find out why being brave matters.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 45

Keep the Risk in the

Rock with Tony Reda

In this episode, we speak to Tony Reda from Tectonic Metals. Tony is trying to create a company where the non-technical opportunities or risks are just as critical a pillar in the company as identifying the technical opportunities present.

They are trying to do the right thing as early as possible. Tony joined us today from his home in British Columbia to talk about what challenges he faces in trying to create such a company.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 44

Exploring Barren Lands

with Chuck Fipke

The early 90s marked one of the biggest staking rushes in Northwest Territories in northern Canada. A hundred years earlier, people had come pouring into the Canadian north looking for gold. This time around, they were looking for something else... diamonds.

At the centre of this new rush was Chuck Fipke and Dia Met Minerals. On this episode of Exploration Radio, let's find out more about Chuck Fipke and his lifelong desire to be an explorer.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 43

A Diamond in the Rough

with Eira Thomas

(Part 2)

Eira Thomas started her career as an exploration geologist when she was part of the team that discovered what became the Diavik Diamond Mine, Canada's second major diamond discovery and arguably one of the richest diamond mines in the world. In this episode, we continue our discussion with Eira.

We find out what she sees as the future of the diamond industry, particularly in a world where sustainability and corporate social responsibility are playing an increasingly important part.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 42

A Diamond in the Rough

with Eira Thomas

(Part 1)

In 1991, a then 20-something-year-old Eira Thomas set off to explore for diamonds in the Canadian North. This led to her being involved in the discovery of what was to become the Diavik Diamond mine - Canada’s second major diamond discovery and arguably one of the worlds richest diamond mines.

Some 30 years later, Eira is still involved in the industry - nowadays she is the CEO of Lucara Diamond Company.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 41

Ideas That Must (Part 3)

We always ask our guests two questions: what is something they think needs to live and what is something that needs to die in the mining industry?

Here is what they said.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 40

Ideas That Must (Part 2)

We always ask our guests two questions: what is something they think needs to live and what is something that needs to die in the mining industry?

Here is what they said.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 39

Ideas That Must (Part 1)

We always ask our guests two questions: what is something they think needs to live and what is something that needs to die in the mining industry?

Here is what they said.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 38

The Lost Cities of Gold

with Keith Barron

In 1998, Keith Barron went to Ecuador to participate in a Spanish language school for a month. On this trip, he met a local historian, Professor Octavio Latorre. That chance meeting started a nearly 2 decades-long search for 2 gold mines run by the Conquistadors in the 1500s deep in the Ecuadorian jungle.

Keith is often referred to as the Indiana Jones of Mining. He does not have the hat or the whip, but his search for the Lost Cities of Gold could easily be lifted from a plotline from one of the movies. At face value that’s what it seems like - a crazy treasure hunt in the jungles of South America. But there is much more to this story than just a movie plotline.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 37

The Elephant in the Room

with Jonathan Goodman

For a while, we have been complaining that there seems to be a continuous exodus of investors out of mining. We have laid the blame for this on a number of things: mining is a risky business and investors just do not get us; the boom and bust cycles make it difficult for these investors to stay around; and the common and ever-present excuse, it is all because of the commodity price. Maybe it is time that we recognised that we as an industry have lost the trust of investors because of the failures of our recent past in returning value to shareholders. Maybe what these absent investors are asking for, is the opportunity to make real investments that have the potential to deliver long term returns and not just over-hyped stock plays.

Our guest today is Jonathan Goodman, President and CEO of Dundee Corporation, a company with a long and successful pedigree investing in the mining and resources industry. He joins us to talk about how as an industry we need to start addressing some of these “elephants in the room” before we are likely to see a sustained return of capital to our industry.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 36

The Career Road Less Travelled

with Attila Pentek

Our industry has plenty of examples of people that jump between jobs every 3-5 years. It is rare to find someone like Attila that has stayed with a company for such a long time. Even rarer still is someone that has done it at the start of their career with a junior explorer. Junior companies are not usually renowned for having established programs that develop and nurture graduates. Maybe the reason that Attila stayed with Wallbridge for so long has something to do with the culture that the company has created, where loyalty is rewarded by opportunity. At some point, all of us have faced these questions: when is it time to leave? Is it better to switch jobs to chase opportunities? Or stay and show loyalty where the reward is opportunities provided?

Our guest today is Attila Pentek, the Vice President Exploration for Wallbridge Mining and we talk to him about why he took the career road less travelled.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 35

Why We Decided

To Create This Podcast

Why did you start this podcast?... What have been your favourite episodes so far?... Is there anyone you haven’t yet interviewed that you would particularly like to speak to?... How do you go about constructing an interview?... Do you get a lot of feedback for your podcasts?... What does the future of Exploration Radio look like?

Over the last 3 years, we have often been asked these questions by individual listeners. We are only too happy to answer them. We really hold no secrets behind what our motivation was in starting this podcast, our interest in continuing it and our desire in what we want to do with it.

So when the AIG convinced us to join them for a webinar, we figured that was a great opportunity to answer any questions our listeners (and others) had for us about Exploration Radio. In this episode, the interviewers become the interviewees and you get to ask us whatever you wanted to know about Exploration Radio.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 34

In a League of Her Own

with Kathy Ehrig

Career paths for executives and managers are usually well established. For technical roles, usually not so.

What is Kathy Ehrig's secret to surviving as one for nearly 3 decades at BHP?

Let's explore.

MINI-EPISODE

MINI - The Good & the Bad
of the UNCOVER Project

UNCOVER was a research consortium set up to combat the declining rate of mineral discoveries in Australia. There were many good outcomes out of the project; NExUS being one. But perhaps, in the end, the project struggled to accomplish its main goal - of changing the exploration industry in Australia.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 33

Learning from Walt Disney

with Richard Lilly

Over 80 years ago, Walt Disney started teaching his employees how to become better animators. Richard Lilly and NExUS are trying to do the same with geoscientists now.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 32

Turning Around the Titanic

with Sam Walsh

Everyone says making changes in big companies is like turning around the Titanic. Find out how Sam Walsh did it for one of the biggest companies in the world.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 31

Making Decisions in Real-Time

with Michelle Carey & Marcus Lake

We are obsessed with technology that gives us data in real-time. What we really need is the ability to make better decisions in near real-time. In this episode, we sit down for a chat with Michelle Carey & Marcus Lake.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 30

First Tell a Story, then Run a Business

with Tony Manini

Would early stage exploration be more successful in attracting investment if it was funded by private investors... like how venture capital firms fund startups in other industries. In this episode, we sit down for a chat with Tony Manini.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 29

A Major Difference

with Steve McIntosh

Everyone in the industry has an opinion on how major companies should run exploration. Maybe it is time we have an honest conversation about why these companies have to be different.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 28

Is Innovation a Behavioural Problem

with Michelle Ash

All innovation programs have a 70/30 rule associated with them. Only 30% of the problem is related to technology. The other 70% is all about people's behaviours.

To be successful, you have to solve both.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 27

Circular Economy in Mining

with Saleem Ali

Did you know that 3M started off as a mining venture in 1902? Over the last 100 years, it has become a materials company. Would mining companies be more sustainable as a business if they were more vertically integrated? Should they do more than just mining?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 26

The Risk with No-Risk Countries

with Christian Jervelund

Social license issues have become commonplace in mining. In OECD countries, where there are more avenues of industrial development, navigating these has its own risks. We perceive these countries to be low risk for mining development. But is that changing?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 25

What, Why and How: Data Science in Mining

with Richard Scott

A lot of the debate around data science in mining focuses on the what and the why: what information do geologists and engineers need to learn and why do they need to learn it. But the real question is: how do we learn from each other?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 24

Real-Time Analytics with

Thor Kallestad

Mining has always been considered a laggard in adopting real-time analytics when compared to the oil and gas industry. This was not because of a lack of interest. In reality, there were some good reasons why this did not work in mining. Until now.

Let's explore.

MINI-EPISODE

Should Academics Be More Entrepreneurial?

Would academic research be more relevant to the industry if academics adopted a more entrepreneurial approach? What could the lean startup model teach researchers?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 23

Re-defining Resource Development

with Mary Poulton

A geologist, an engineer, and a social scientist walk into a bar. They discuss how the value proposition of resource development has changed and how we need to evolve it beyond just the economic benefit it provides.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 22

The Wisdom of the Crowd

with Holly Bridgwater

Bill Joy once said, "There are always more smart people outside your company than within it". So... should we be looking at ways to utilise the wisdom of the crowd? Are the many cleverer than the few?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 21

The Entrepreneur's Dilemma

with Justin Strharsky

The role of an entrepreneur, or any startup, is to learn... learn as quickly as possible before you go out of business.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 20

The Three Princes of Serendip

with Samantha Copeland

(Part 2)

Once upon a time, there were three princes from Serendip. They had many adventures. One of them involved a camel. This story teaches us a lot about serendipity... and ultimately about scientific discoveries.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 20

The Three Princes of Serendip

with Samantha Copeland

(Part 1)

Once upon a time, there were three princes from Serendip. They had many adventures. One of them involved a camel. This story teaches us a lot about serendipity... and ultimately about scientific discoveries.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 19

Skateboarders and Base Jumpers

with John Vann

An exploration geologist and a mine geologist walk into a bar. They start talking about skateboarding and base jumping. What happens next...they learn what those activities can teach them about mining and exploration.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 18

Taking Every Meeting

with Malcolm Norris

Working in a big company is like making a movie. While managing a junior or a startup is like standup comedy. Malcolm Norris joins us to explain why that is.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 17

Exploration Startup 101

with Mark Bennett

In this class, we talk about the good, the bad and the ugly of starting your own company... and what challenges you face in becoming the architect of your own success and failure.


Let's explore.

EPISODE 16

Boiling frogs

with Jon Hronsky

If you put a frog into boiling water, it will jump out. But if you put a frog in cold water and slowly boil the water, it will not recognise the danger at all. Does this metaphor apply to how we deal with change in science?


Let's explore.

EPISODE 15

Change Is Inevitable.

Adaptability Is A Choice.

It is not the strongest species that survive, nor the most intelligent. But the ones that are the most responsive to change. No better way to describe Peta Libby.


Let's explore.

EPISODE 14

7 Lessons from Julian Malnic

​Last episode in our series on #innovation and #disruption... we try to answer the question: What makes an #innovator?

#Mining metals on the #ocean floor... mining water from #asteroids... just some of the #innovative ideas Julian Malnic has #succeeded with. He gives us a window into how he works. How he sees #entrepreneurship as understanding what the value of you being you is. How disagreement and scepticism are good things. How sometimes opportunities find you and 80% of success is just showing up. At the end, #innovation is #entrepreneurship and #enterprise. And don't ride the ski lift if you are afraid of the fall.

Julian Malnic is an innovator. And he has 7 lessons for us.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 13

An Outsider's Perspective


The past few episodes covered different perspectives on innovation and disruption in mining. We continue this discussion. But from the perspective of someone outside of our industry...and what do they see looking in.

We are good at coming up with reasons why we fail to innovate. We are too slow... we do not have the right attitude... and we are structurally not set up correctly. And we are all waiting to develop solutions from within. But surely other industries have already solved some of the problems we face. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then how come we are not imitating others and fast-tracking solutions.

In this episode, we talk to Ash Agarwal from Uptake, a predictive analytics firm in the US that is transforming companies and industries using the data they already have. So could they do the same for mining?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 12

Disruption and the DIGITAL MINE


Disruption is the result of applying a series of changes in a system that creates a whole new way of doing things. And more importantly, often results in whole new business models. There are no shortage of industries that have gone down this path. Think about music. Previously you owned the music you wanted to listen to. Now you stream it. Access trumps ownership.

So what would #disruption look like in mining? Well, it will probably start with digitalisation. Look around you...a lot of what you do currently could easily be digitalised. Extend this concept further...a lot of the process of mining could be digitalised. We cannot change a mineral deposit. But in a world ripe with sensors, we can change the information we collect about it. And give us a chance to make better decisions on what to do next. The eventual consequence of all of this thinking: is a digital mine. This is a fundamentally different way to look at mining. But it’s not the real disruption we will face. That will come in the form of completely new business models that we will have to deal with.

The US Marines have a saying..."Everyone wants to get into heaven. But no one wants to die." Is this a metaphor for how mining treats new business models?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 11

Are WE the barrier to innovation?


A few decades ago, mining companies used to invest in teams that focussed on developing in-house technical expertise. Companies worked hard at maintaining these teams because they stood to directly benefit from any technological solutions they came up with. However, over the last couple of decades, things changed. Companies largely outsourced technical innovation to service providers. This now makes service providers best placed to provide technology solutions to the industry. In our opinion, this outsourcing of intellectual capital has created a structural problem. As companies, we are no longer in charge. We are now customers.

This structural change now makes service providers the very people we need to listen to. Some of you might disagree with this. But think about it from the whole industry perspective. These issues are bigger than what impacts your company...or even what impacts you. So when it comes to technical innovation, who is prioritizing it? Who is influencing the outcomes? Who is leading who?

In this episode, we speak to Bruce McDonald from ALS Minerals, a service provider to the mining industry. We wanted to get their perspective, on what challenges they face when they are trying to sell these technologies to mining companies. We learned that service providers are limited by WHAT THEY CAN DO, not what they imagine. Our willingness to take up innovative solutions is the problem. And this is exacerbated by the cyclic nature of our industry. The greatest barrier to innovation in the mining industry... is US...the people that are part of the industry.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 10

Why Is Mining A Cyclical Industry?


Have you ever been made redundant because of the cyclical nature of our industry? Everyone that works in mining knows that the industry is cyclical. There are booms and busts every 5 to 10 years and they control everything... From severe unemployment to lack of skill development to companies struggling to #innovate...and many other derivative effects. But have you ever wondered whether a lot of the small issues we face are in fact a result of a much higher level problem...that being the cyclical nature of our industry? Is this cyclicity the root cause of all the bad...and maybe the good...in our industry?

Hedley Widdup works for an investment fund called Lion Selection Group. One of their main strategies for investing in the mining industry is to understand where in the commodity cycle the industry is. To take advantage of this cyclicity, they need to understand it.

​Hedley joins us this week to explain to us why the mining industry is cyclic...and why it will always stay this way.

Let's explore.

MINI EPISODE

MINI - the CRAESTAR lessons

Steve and Ahmad talk about what lessons they learned about innovation from the CRAESTAR story.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 09

A Ship Called CRAESTAR (part 2)

Last week, we learned about the beginnings of the MV CRAESTAR...a fishing trawler retrofitted with a helicopter and analytical laboratory, used as a floating exploration base by CRA in the mid-1960's to explore for copper deposits in the SW Pacific. This program was born out of a necessity, a need to innovate...traditional methods of exploring the islands were too slow so CRA needed to find a new way. The result was the CRAESTAR.

In part 2 of this story, we find out more...was the CRAESTAR program a success in the end? Did it accomplish what it set out to do? And what lessons did CRA learn about how to innovate when it comes to mineral exploration.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 08

A Ship Called CRAESTAR (part 1)

In the mid-1960's, CRA was exploring for copper deposits in the SW Pacific. They had success with a deposit called Panguna on the island of Bougainville. But exploring other islands was proving to be a challenge. The company needed to be quick and to stay ahead of their competitors. Traditional methods were too slow. They needed a new way. They needed to innovate.

The solution the company came up with...the MV CRAESTAR, a retrofitted fishing trawler with a helipad and an analytical geochemical laboratory on board. The ship was a floating exploration base. It could go anywhere in the Pacific...allowing geologists to access any coastal river or stream on any island. It was built for speed and efficiency. It allowed CRA to do more in 5 years than most companies can accomplish in a decade.

This episode explores the beginnings of the CRAESTAR program. We dig into how CRA developed a staged process of continuous experimentation and tinkering...and how all those little innovations came together to become the CRAESTAR program.

What does the CRAESTAR program teach us about innovation on the front line...and what lessons can we learn from it?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 07

The Mining Industry - Is It An Innovation Laggard?

These days, innovation is all around us. It is now considered the fundamental requirement for survival in most industries. It's the old adage of "you either innovate, or you die".

So what about mining, which is often considered a laggard when it comes to technology and innovation. How will the mining industry innovate? And more importantly, what does this innovation look like?

In this weeks' episode, we speak to Andrew Shook, a metallurgical engineer who has held several technology and innovation roles at BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto. In Andrew's opinion, innovation in the mining industry can be explained by a single word...change. The question we want to know is, who is leading this change?

Let's explore.

EPISODE 06

The Rover Boys... Using Whiskey As A Lion Repellent

The Rover Boys were a crack team of petroleum geologists, whose job was to seek and find surface petroleum deposits around the world. This team went anywhere and everywhere during the hedonistic and untamed 1960s. They smoked camel dung and used whiskey as a lion repellent. This was a team built for adventure.

In this episode, we talk to the man who led the Rover Boys, David Kingston. There are so many arcs in this story, it's hard to know where to start. It brims with the romance of exploration and the excitement of experiencing new countries and encountering new cultures. It's an important lesson in practicality, an approach that seems less attractive to modern Explorers...or perhaps less valued.

However, above all else, this is a story about the transition. The Rover Boys explored the world for the final large surface petroleum discoveries. During their time, the industry transitioned into offshore mining and new skills were therefore required. We often talk about the technology or science of deep exploration, but what does this transition actually feel like. Let's ask Dave Kingston.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 05

Wanderlust

Is Wanderlust just a Jennifer Aniston movie? Or is it something more?

We describe wanderlust as an insatiable thirst for travel, culture, new people...or just 'the new' in general. It has driven many an explorer to search out places where others have not been or where others will not go. It sounds glamorous, exciting and enticing. But it requires discipline, passion and sacrifice. It is a requirement of an explorer which can never really be replaced.
So in this week's episode, we talk to Dan Olberg...an exploration geologist who speaks many languages and runs exploration programs in the developing world, from Mongolia to Indonesia to Peru and now Africa. His personal drive means he travels for both work and pleasure.

Why are we talking to Dan? Because he epitomises the drive it takes to be an explorer and has a fascinating story.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 04

A Rebel with a Cause...with Alex Atkins

The year is 1987. As a university student, you have been accepted for vacational work by a company called WMC. You show up for your first day at work and you are told that "you have to leave, you cannot stay here". Why?

"Because you are a girl and girls don't work in mines". Does this seem a little far fetched? Well, this is how Alex Atkins started her mining career.

In our discussion with Alex, we cover her journey in mining. From being a mine and exploration geologist to a mining engineer in various roles to now championing diversity in the mining industry. Throughout it all, she has been fuelled by her rebellious nature and social conscience...she has been a rebel with a cause.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 03

How to do Frontier Exploration...the discovery story of Reko Diq

It is the early 1990s. Alan Moore is a young geologist from Australia, working for BHP at the time. He heads to Pakistan looking for copper deposits in the remote, inhospitable southwestern part of the country, an area called the Chagai Hills. Along the way, he meets Saad Husain - a local Pakistani who teams up with Alan and becomes his ever-present project manager.

This is their story and how their work led to the discovery of the Reko Diq deposit. However, it is not your typical discovery story. It is much more than that.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 02

What Makes a Successful Explorer - Part 2

​In part 2 of our interview, we continue our discussion with Mark Bennett on what it take to create a successful exploration culture.

​We find out about the start of Sirius Resources and dealing with Mark Creasy, the discovery of Nova-Bollinger and what that meant to Mark and his team, exploration in big companies and the challenges they face, and what ingredients make for a truly successful exploration culture.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 01

What Makes a Successful Explorer - Part 1

What does it take to be a successful explorer? Is it technical knowledge? Is it having the right strategy? Is it having a lot of money to explore for a long time? Or is it just luck?

What if...the most important ingredient for success in mineral exploration was culture, and the rest of the things pale in comparison. Maybe the most important thing is if you have the right culture and whether you can sustain it for long enough.

In our inaugural episode, we look at the building of an explorer culture - a discovery culture. We are going to pull apart this concept by interviewing Mark Bennett, a successful mineral explorer who has evolved his own views and his own successful culture.

Let's explore.

EPISODE 00

Introducing Exploration Radio

Welcome to Exploration Radio... a podcast focusing on the past, present and future of mineral exploration. Featuring interviews and discussions with explorers about the challenges they have faced, what we stand to learn from them and how we can better prepare for the future. Ultimately these are stories about exploration...the people, places and issues prevalent in mineral exploration.

Let's explore.